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Heavypredator Singh
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Posted - 2014.09.30 01:49:00 -
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MMO is dying. MOBA where You don't wait for action, skills, etc is getting all the players.
Why it would be a bad idea to speed up sp gain so after 3 months You have 30mil sp?
Less alts. Maybe more alts. Maybe more new players that wouldn't feel bored.
Would it be better for economy? Ppl buying more expensive ships that they can fly.
Most of my friends that abandoned eve said it was too slow to gain sp. They were bored.
Eve is boring when You have no skills to fly ships or You went for some profession that is boring and then realized it shut Your door to doing something more fun and You need to start over.
Good corporations have 15 mil sp minimum req. That is almost a year of training.
With subs problems maybe it is a good idea to make it happen.
You are still limited by isk. And why not ppl play instead of wait.
New players sitting in dreads? Fighting with nullsec aliances? Not possible at this moment. Eaven if new player gets into dread only - it will take him months. What about other ships durning that time?
Times change. EvE should change too to try to grow.
Do You know of any other game that needs years to get skills?
Eaven to complete tutorial You need to wait hours for skills - this is not a good first impression. |
Heavypredator Singh
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Posted - 2014.09.30 02:01:00 -
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Whole thing with alts is that alts are needed - for cyno, for hauling, supers etc.
I don't see how gaining sp faster would kill use of alts.
Not that forcing ppl to have 2 or more accounts is fair. This is too discouraging ppl - one of my friends said he will never get alt because he wants to identify with his toon. So Yea they lost his sub.
Maybe its time to make this game less boring - content for pve is so bad that I don't see how they can get new players with current state of boring wait for sp. |
Heavypredator Singh
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Posted - 2014.09.30 02:32:00 -
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Remaps and implants will cut around 1 month per year? This is almost nothing compared to time. Not to mention having implants discourages ppl from going to null.
It's 10 years of this system - it doesn't look like it made ppl play EvE other than hardcore space fans that have not much choice. |
Heavypredator Singh
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Posted - 2014.09.30 13:34:00 -
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You see with pve in state that it is new players need to seek out pvp - if they see how long it will take them to just sit in doctrine ships (many corps/aliances have different doctrines) just pick another game.
Personally it took me like a week of mining and missioning to get totally bored. I went to look for pvp. I was useless at pvp as I was not able to fly any doctrine. But it is only mmo with space so I stayed.
Do You realy think that with elite, starcitizen and other space mmos coming ppl will wait and play boring pve content?
EvE will get less and less players. You can see less and less online. Wait for vets to start playing new space games and EvE will die.
This is about getting new players - times change, competition is growing. If You lack in some areas then make it better in other.
As for learning to play - I hardly think You need 3 years to learn - this is when you will get access to all t2 frigs, cruisers, dessies and battleships with all support skills you need.
Skill points just block ppl from having fun - it should not be about what You can use - it should be about how You use it, what You can afford. If You block content you block ppl from having fun.
This is about EvE not dying because vets stop playing and new players training takes years. If You just can't replace losses of ppl then it is over. |
Heavypredator Singh
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Posted - 2014.09.30 14:01:00 -
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Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:Heavypredator Singh wrote:...
As for learning to play - I hardly think You need 3 years to learn - this is when you will get access to all t2 frigs, cruisers, dessies and battleships with all support skills you need.
Skill points just block ppl from having fun - it should not be about what You can use - it should be about how You use it, what You can afford. If You block content you block ppl from having fun.
... I disagree completely, firstly why do you need to be able to fly every single sub-cap as tech II? If that is your guage of being able to have fun in the game then you are going to be disappointed.
Why not. It opens options to fly doctrine with many groups in the game - this opens content.
If a group is going to make combined ops with another group and they decide to go in amarr battleships doctrine. You can fly caldari battleships. This closes Your participation unless You want to go in frig that will do nothing in large scale battle.
Why if I train 1 battleship or cruiser I need to train 3 other just to have option of having fun?
Lets say You want to change corp/aliance - You need to adapt new doctrines.
Doctrine fits are there for a reason - lets say You have ishtar but no t2 drone link. Your drone range is not able to fire on your enemy over distance your fleet is at. Your friends fire - You don't. Your friends go faster - you tag kilometers behind. You are not always useful.
We all know many ppl playing eve have pledged to starcitizen and elite. We will see if they stop playing eve what will happen then. |
Heavypredator Singh
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Posted - 2014.09.30 14:17:00 -
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Donnachadh wrote:Torn on this but overall I say no to the OP's idea.
One of the big attractions to every single person I know that plays EVE is the balance the skills training system brings to all players/characters. A casual player that spends 4 or 5 hours a week in EVE will be at the same place skill points wise after 1 year as a player that spends 3-4 hours a day.
And speed up wouldn't change that as it would work for all? |
Heavypredator Singh
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Posted - 2014.09.30 17:04:00 -
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I don't need it - i have enough sp on my 2 toons after over a year in the game.
But new players can't afford toons. |
Heavypredator Singh
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Posted - 2014.10.01 08:32:00 -
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Daenika wrote:30m SP in 3 months. That's 10m per month, or 13850 per hour.
With +3 implants and a perfect remap, the maximum you can get right now is 2520 per hour.
You're asking for a 5.5 times multiplier on skill training speed. Rank 1 skills would take approximately 90 seconds to train level 1. Rank V Titan skills, a 16x multiplier (highest in the game) would take approximately 10 days with +3s and an ideal remap.
There are currently 444,928,000 possible skillpoints in the game (fun fact: 28% of those are in Spaceship Command). With a full set of +5s and a perfect remap at all times, you top out at 2700 SP per hour. That means there's a minimum of 164,788 hours of training in EVE, or about 19 years.
You want to reduce that to only ~3.3 years.
My character currently has 50m SP (ya, I know, she's like 5 years old, I took a lot of breaks). With your proposal, I'd have 275m SP, which would have taken me approximately 14 years at my average training speed thus far.
Basically, the current SP system means that CCP has, at minimum, about 8 more years before anyone could possibly run out of things to train in EVE. With your proposal, those same from-day-one players could currently have all three characters on an account trained 100%, if they pushed.
Basically, no. If you want instant gratification, go play a game designed to cater to that, like the MOBAs you cited. Even they don't really cater to it (League, for example, has its own leveling and gating system). In fact, MMOs as a business are designed around not granting instant gratification. Delayed gratification is how they maintain subscriptions.
3,3 years is not instant
you still need to buy books and everything else
it just enables You to use available gear/mechanics in game
it is not instant win - you will probably not have titan to fly, you will not win eve by having all sp
If anyone plays this game just because it has something to put in skill queue and not because it is fun to play - it is not realy very smart then - just wasted money.
More playing, less training = better game. For new and older players. You need more ppl playing - counting on alts to carry the game will soon end with few ppl killing their alts because ppl will leave and no new ppl will come when they can play starcitizen without waiting 20 years for the skills.
Max 45000 online at weekend. 20000 on normal days. At least half of it are alts already. This is not good and it is not going to last. |
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